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04-27-08 01:38 PM - Post#845719    

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    95

    Studio and Year: Disney - 2007
    MPAA Rating: PG
    Feature running time: 125 Minutes
    Genre: Action/Adventure

    Disc Format: BD-50
    Encoding: MPEG-4 (AVC)
    Video Aspect: 2.35:1
    Resolution: 1080p/24

    Audio Format(s): English Dolby TrueHD 5.1, English/French/Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1 surround
    Subtitles:Englsih SDH, French, Spanish
    Starring: Nicholas Cage, Jon Voight, Diane Kruger, Helen Mirren, Harvey Kietel, Justin Bartha, Ed Harris, Bruce Greenwood
    Directed by:Jon Turtletaub
    Music by: Trevor Rabin
    Written by: Gregory Poirier, The Wibberleys, Ted Elliott, Terry Rossio

    DVD Release Date: May 20, 2008












    "The debt that all men pay….. "

    Product Description:

    Join Nicolas Cage on a heart-pounding adventure that will have you on the edge of your seat in a race to find the Lost City of Gold. Grounded in history, imbued with myth and mystery, Disney's National Treasure: Book Of Secrets takes you on a globe-trotting quest full of adrenaline-pumping twists and turns - all leading to the final clue in a mysterious and highly guarded book containing centuries of secrets. But there's only one way to find it - Ben Gates must kidnap the President. Packed with fast-paced action and crackling humor, National Treasure: Book Of Secrets is a movie your entire family will want to rediscover again and again.

    MY TWO CENTS:

    NT: Book of secrets does not have the fresh feel of the first film but it does have something tangible to offer. The premise in this film revolves around the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln and the allegation by a southern “confederate“ gentlemen (played by Ed Harris) that Thomas Gates the great grandfather of Patrick Gates, (Jon Voight) was the master mind behind it rather than John Wilkes Booth. This brings together Abigail, Riley and Ben for another treasure hunting adventure that ignites the same chemistry between the three that made the first film a success. Add to that the presence of the elegant and sublimely talented Helen Mirren as Emily ( Ben‘s mother) and the versatile Ed Harris (Bad guy) and you have the formula for another successful collaboration. .

    The question is, was Book of Secrets as good as the original? I say that it is. I don’t think that the screenplay is better but I liked the deeper involvement of Jon Voight, the additional elements that require uncovering multiple layers to discover the whereabouts of the Book, the desks, the treasure and finally the climactic scene that finds the treasure. I felt that the scene leading up the discovery of the Golden City was better here than the one in NT. I liked how things played out with Mitch Wilkinson, the president and Ben’s parents. I felt that the action was every bit as good in this one as in the original but that it was done a little better here. I will admit that Book of secrets was definitely more over the top in the realism department. Kidnapping the president, getting out of the Library of Congress when it is surrounded by dozens of FBI and law enforcement, breaking into Buckingham Palace, scamming their way into the Oval Office at the White House….OK maybe it was more of a stretch than I thought !

    I saw Book of secrets theatrically and liked it. I was not sure how it would hold up upon repeat viewing. Well it held up just fine and I liked it more this time. The chemistry between Krueger, Bartha, and Cage remains just as strong. Voight was as poised as ever and nothing needs to be said of the exquisite Helen Mirren who is still plenty glamorous for a woman in her early sixties.

    Parental Concerns:

    The rating is for some action and violence.



    AUDIO/VIDEO - By The Numbers:

    REFERENCE = 92-100 / EXCELLENT = 83-91 / GOOD = 74-82 / AVERAGE = 65-73 / BELOW AVERAGE = under 65


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    Audio: 94

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  • **My audio ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**


    Video: 96

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  • **My video ratings are based upon a comparative made against other high definition media/blu-ray disc.**

    National Treasure: Book of Secrets comes to blu-ray disc sporting 1080p MPEG-4 (AVC) encoded video and lossless Dolby TrueHD 5.1 channel audio. The video had an average bitrate of 26 mbps while the TrueHD mix audio had an average bitrate of 3.4 mbps. The Dolby TrueHD audio presented on NT: Book of Secrets was of reference quality. This was not an overly aggressive mix but it was definitely an engaging one. Once again Trevor Rabin’s score led the way with musical intonation that was rendered with superb presence, mid range clarity and crystal clear yet smooth treble. Instrumentation was well placed with the sound stage with excellent separation and sonic detail. Surround sound effects were used to realistically fill the rear of the room with ambient as well as localizable spatial cues which aptly matched what was occurring onscreen. This was put to great use during the car chase scene in London which sounded great as it filled the room with crashing metal, screaming pedestrians, and objects whizzing by. I had no idea just how dynamic or enriching this track was until the scene in the final act when the group enters the caverns beneath Mount Rushmore. This entire sequence was well worth the wait and part of the reason that this mix scored as well as it did. The sounds of falling rocks, the swaying and creaking of the large balancing platform and power of the flowing water created one of the best aural experiences I have had in my theater room. What made it so good was the superb detail and intricate reproduction of the sounds located within the audio. Low frequency effects were delivered with solidified emphasis and deep extension. The dialogue was crystalline and easily heard even during the most egregiously busy sequences. Subtlety was also strong within the mix which made whispers, voices on cell phones and background/ambient sounds distinguishable.

    After watching National Treasure on blu-ray I was wondering if the video for this film would look similar to it. As good as NT looked, Book of Secrets kicked it up a notch. Detail was rendered with aplomb and looked every bit as good as I have seen from high definition on blu-ray disc. This was the case in all but a handful of shots and I believe that those were due to the nature of the photography. Images had clearly definable lines with absolute resolve and dynamic extension that was stunning at times. The beautiful vista views of Mount Rushmore, London and France were absolutely pristine in quality. Colors were reproduced with sparkling vibrancy, deep extension, and natural tonality. Flesh tones were solid with the exception of Nicholas Cage who looked like he spent way too much time in the tanning bed. He had a heavy orange cast to his complexion that I found to be distracting. I am positive that this had more to do with personal preference than any inherent problems in the video itself. Blacks were as good as I have seen them with deep extension, dynamic range, and noise free backgrounds. Shadow detail fell into the same category in that it was excellent. The sequences filmed in the tunnel at Mount Vernon and then in the caves below Mount Rushmore were brimming with fine background detail, two and three dimensional depth and solid and noise free blacks. Contrast sparked a good balance in that whites were dynamic and blacks had plenty of depth which helped give colors extra pop.

    As I watched this movie I found myself enthralled at how good it looked. This was on par with what I saw in the theater and in fact it looked better. This is one that those with large screens and 1080p displays will greatly appreciate.

    SPECIAL FEATURES:

    Disney has put together a great set of bonus materials for the release of National Treasure: Book of Secrets. This blu-ray disc contains all of the features from the 2 Disc Gold Collector’s DVD Edition and includes two additional bonus features which are exclusive to Blu-ray disc. The video content is in high definition which is always a plus. There are enough supplements here to keep viewers busy for a few hours as they offer an inside look at the production and challenges to history buffs. Enjoy !


  • Director Commentary

  • Deleted Scenes

  • The Treasure Reel

  • Secrets of a sequel

  • The Book of Secrets: on location

  • Street Stunts: Creating the London Car Chase

  • Inside the Library of Congress

  • Underground action

  • Cover Story: Crafting the Presidents‘ Book

  • Evolution of a Golden City

  • Knights of the Golden Circle

  • Easter Eggs

  • Disney’s Total Menus
  • Exclusive Blu-ray Bonus Features:


  • Book of History: The Fact and Fiction of NT Book of Secrets

  • 2 Additional Deleted Scenes


  • WRAP-UP:

    I remember thinking after I saw NT: Book of Secrets in the theater that I looked forward to seeing it in high definition on blu-ray. Disney has surpassed my expectations by delivering a knock out debut which offers reference quality audio and video as well as an entertaining and comprehensive set of bonus features. Fans can look forward to this on blu-ray disc. It has found a permanent place in my collection and gets my Highest recommendation.








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    National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-28-08 09:09 AM - Post#845768    
        In response to Ralph Potts

    Hello,

    Did someone know, if National Treasure (1 and 2) plays in Region B ?
    Thank you for your answers

    Edited by LeBougre on 04-28-08 09:14 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

     
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    Re: National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-28-08 09:40 AM - Post#845770    
        In response to LeBougre

    • LeBougre Said:
    Hello,

    Did someone know, if National Treasure (1 and 2) plays in Region B ?
    Thank you for your answers



    Greetings,

    LeBougre, Welcome to the Spot

    National Treasure is region A,B,C coded. National Treasure 2 Book of secrets is region A coded.



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    Re: National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-28-08 10:13 AM - Post#845772    
        In response to Ralph Potts

    Thank you for welcoming me
    Ok, so the first National Treasure will work on my french PS3 ? but not the second film ?
    Am i right ? (so i can buy the first film but not the second ?)
    Thanks again for your answer

    Edited by LeBougre on 04-28-08 10:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

     
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    Re: National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-28-08 03:30 PM - Post#845789    
        In response to LeBougre

    Greetings,

    You understand correctly and you are more than welcome.


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    04-28-08 04:53 PM - Post#845791    
        In response to Ralph Potts

    Why would the studio have the first one all regions but not do it with the second movie?

    I give up trying to understand the logic of studio execs and the decisions they make.
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    04-28-08 05:00 PM - Post#845792    
        In response to PFC5

    Very nice review, Ralph!

    Unfortunately, I'll have to wait on this one until Samsung sees fit to update the audio codecs for the BD-UP5000; I don't want to experience this in two channel HD. Interesting that the first installment came with an uncompressed PCM track, and the second one doesn't.

    Ralph can you tell if they had any room left for an uncompressed PCM track, or are they pushing the limits of BD-50 in this release?
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    04-28-08 05:39 PM - Post#845793    
        In response to Steve K.

    The first film has played out theatrically, worldwide. The sequal, being a much newer film, hasn't - hence region coding. Any pressings made after a year of the first films run will not be coded either. But for the first year, some studios wanted to have the option.



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    04-28-08 05:42 PM - Post#845795    
        In response to Chad Varnadore

    Steve, you will still get AC3 from the core. It just won't be lossless.



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    Re: National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-28-08 08:35 PM - Post#845805    
        In response to Ralph Potts

    Ralph,

    Did this come with the excellent Goofy-buys-a-home-theater -system short that was attached to the theatrical presentation?

    It was the funniest short I have seen in a looong time; the whole family loved it, and could relate to it through my own enthusiasms...
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    Re: National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-28-08 10:38 PM - Post#845810    
        In response to chucklee

    Chad,

    Thank you, I didn't know that.

    My understanding was that the Samsung BD-UP5000 has a known issue with True HD, in that it can decode 2 Channel True HD, and because it can decode True HD, it hides the core track, and I would be stuck with 2 channel until the firmware update.

    Live and learn.
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    Re: National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-29-08 12:39 AM - Post#845813    
        In response to Ralph Potts

    Ok, and really thank you for your reply
    I'm looking forward to seeing your review about Rambo (blu-ray) hoping it'll be compatible in region B ^^
    Thanks again, and have a nice day

     
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    Re: National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-29-08 02:28 AM - Post#845814    
        In response to LeBougre

    • LeBougre Said:
    Ok, and really thank you for your reply
    I'm looking forward to seeing your review about Rambo (blu-ray) hoping it'll be compatible in region B ^^
    Thanks again, and have a nice day



    Greetings,

    You are welcome LeBougre..

    Ray will be handling the Rambo review so be sure to check back often and don't be a stranger..
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    Re: National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-29-08 02:32 AM - Post#845815    
        In response to chucklee

    • chucklee Said:
    Ralph,

    Did this come with the excellent Goofy-buys-a-home-theater -system short that was attached to the theatrical presentation?

    It was the funniest short I have seen in a looong time; the whole family loved it, and could relate to it through my own enthusiasms...



    Greetings,

    Chuck, I remember seeing the Goofy short as well. It is not listed within the discs menu and honestly I didn't have time to search for the hidden "Easter Eggs" on the disc. I will see if I can locate them. Maybe that short is among them...
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    Re: National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-29-08 03:06 AM - Post#845818    
        In response to Ralph Potts

    Ok, thank you

     
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    04-29-08 06:35 AM - Post#845820    
        In response to LeBougre

    Sorry Steve, I may have steered you wrong. I wasn't aware that the Samsung has a unique issue with TrueHD. Decoding stereo but not 6-channel is about as smart as the first gen Toshibas. I don't know of a single BD to incorporate TrueHD in only stereo. Why even bother. People actually do this for a living... grumble, grumble...

    Try setting the player to bitstream TrueHD. That should keep it from trying to decode lossless and might let you access the core instead. If the player is HDMI 1.3 compliant and your AVR isn't, you may need to output the audio via toslink or coax.

    If that doesn't work, like all Disney BDs, this disc features standard DD 5.1 as an alternative. Hopefully it's the full 640.




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    04-29-08 08:06 AM - Post#845826    
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    Thanks Chad, no problem.

    I think I will go ahead and get the disc, because I want to see it, and to try out your suggestion.

    2 Channel True HD is actually the minimum spec, it is just the implementation on that chipset (also in the LG BD200) hides the other tracks. A firmware update is due in May, and, if the LG update is any indication, it will do True HD 5.1 internally, and will bitstream it.

    I do have my receiver (non-HDMI) set up to receive analog 5.1 and coax from the Samsung. With DTS HD-MA the coax gives me the DTS core.

    I'll report back when I pick this up, which I'm sure will be before the Samsung firmware update.
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    04-29-08 09:49 AM - Post#845830    
        In response to Steve K.

    Greetings,

    OK I found 3 "Easter Egg" hidden features none of which is the Goofy Short. Sorry Chuck.

    They all pertain to an aspect of the production. One is hidden in the On Location menu, Stunts Menu, and Golden City Menu of the bonus features.

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    National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    04-29-08 10:20 AM - Post#845831    
        In response to Steve K.

    • ElTwo Said:
    Thanks Chad, no problem.

    I think I will go ahead and get the disc, because I want to see it, and to try out your suggestion.

    2 Channel True HD is actually the minimum spec, it is just the implementation on that chipset (also in the LG BD200) hides the other tracks. A firmware update is due in May, and, if the LG update is any indication, it will do True HD 5.1 internally, and will bitstream it.

    I do have my receiver (non-HDMI) set up to receive analog 5.1 and coax from the Samsung. With DTS HD-MA the coax gives me the DTS core.

    .




    2-channel was minimum spec for HD DVD. Prior to 1.1 BD didn't have to support TrueHD at all. I'm not sure it's absolutely required of 1.1 for that matter. Regardless of spec, supporting only 2-channel via hardware is completely useless considering the lack of material; and is absurd considering up to 8-channel TrueHD has been readily available and routinely used for over a year now. It's surprising that the first manufacturer to develop a player is still having such base design deficiencies.

    If the player allows you to extract MA's core via coax, you should be able to do the same with TrueHD. I've just never had cause to try, so I can't speak in absolutes. By the time this disc streets, maybe Samsung will have the update for you. They've still got a few weeks. But, from talking to Ralph and seeing the crawling pace in the past, I wouldn't hold my breath.



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    National Treasure 2 Book of Secrets (Blu-ray) Official Spot Review
    05-03-08 03:06 AM - Post#846030    
        In response to Ralph Potts

    Thanks for checking... hopefully, this will come with another Disney release in the near future.

    I don't think I've laughed as hard since the first viewing of The Simpson's Movie...
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